Roulette Ideas

These following results.

With my daily tests I collect every possible datas. Since a while I stumble about this but can´t find no solution to it.

I played a simple strategy. (No matter what it is) and found these results:

flatbetting 8 days

4
39
39
109
-66
-31
39
39

172 +

If we had stopped at first Plus:

19
27
3
11
-66
31
23
31

79 + less than betting the whole strategy

and now the phenomenon:

if we could have stopped at the "maximum result"

65
43
63
137
-4
81
71
76

532

a multiple win!!!!!!

But the problem is: How can we see that the current result ist the "maximum" possible?
Any ideas?

Winkel,

I have to confess I'm in the dark about what you're trying to get across here. Can you clarify? All I see is columns of numbers and their totals, but I don't see any pattern or understand your comments under each column.

For example, 

QuoteIf we had stopped at first Plus:

What does this mean? Isn't the first plus the first number in the column, which is 19?

for example:

If you bet on streets flat bet then you can bet 11 times and end up with +1 if you have a single win.
You will end up -11 with no wins.

But there are spins, where you win twice or 3 times.

If you do several runs you will have results like this

1
1
12
-11
23

but if you would stop at first win (hit) you could have results
+11 (win in first spin)
+6 win in 5th spin
+10 (win in spin 2)
-11 no wins no change in results possible
+5 first win in spin 6

with the multiple wins it could be that the results are higher if you had stopped at the maximum

if you collect
- all end-results
- all stopp-win results
- all maximum results

you will find
- all ends - in the long run you will lose
- all stop wins - in the long run you will lose mor, because you collect all maximum losses but only minimum wins
- all maximum - you will only collect the very best result.

the problem is, that you don´t know when you jhave reached the "maximum"

Right, thanks. Obviously this could apply to any location: streets, singles, splits etc. The answer to the question "what is the maximum?" is the maximum number of hits achieved by any location within its cycle.

This will vary according to location. If betting dozen/column, for example, which has a cycle of 3, you will get 3 hits in a cycle fairly frequently, but for locations with longer cycles such as single numbers you would have to calculate the probabilities of getting 2,3,4 or more wins, with diminishing chances. There's no definitive answer but some simulations might reveal when would be the optimum number of hits after which you should quit.

I'll think about it some more...

Interesting!

@winkel

This can be easily achieved but it takes quite a bit of work. Play 100 or even a thousand sessions. While you
are playing you're documenting your lows and highs per session. And based on a large number of sessions you
can count the totals of lowes and divide them by the number of sessions. The same you can do with the highs.

Example:
5 sessions played

You add all highs from each session:
+12
+11
+25
+43
+1
Total +92 / 5 = +18.4 (so that's your ideal moment to quit)

The same goes for your stop-loss.

If you simply measure this inside a spreadsheet you can see that the amount will move over
time and the more sessions you play, the more stable it gets.

I hope this helps!

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Quote from: ThirdChaos on Dec 16, 2022, 09:07 PMIf you simply measure this inside a spreadsheet you can see that the amount will move over
time and the more sessions you play, the more stable it gets.

you are far far away from being a rouletteprof.

What you said is simple statistics and we all know where it ends.

I will give you something to think about:

This is played on finals. 34 spins flatbet

first picture:
results after 34 spins -1088

second picture:
results after 34 spins stopp win or any plus -422

third picture:
if had managed to stop at the over all maximum of won chips + 3858 (if max is <0 then end-result is inserted. but not in this picture)





   

Quote from: ThirdChaos on Dec 16, 2022, 09:07 PM@winkel

If you simply measure this inside a spreadsheet you can see that the amount will move over
time and the more sessions you play, the more stable it gets.

Yes, but the results will approach the average. I.e. 1 win in 12 for a street, 1 win in 37 for a single number and so on. However, what we want is the maximum, which will take a lot more spins to find than 1000 sessions.

@BlueBuzzard

What we definitely know is that we lose -32 to -136 units at most after 34 spins.

We can´t define "maximum" perhaps we can come the other way round and reduce the maximum losses?

Not knowing if -32 as stop-loss will kill the chance to win a minor amount of chips.

Can the saved chips with stop-loss balance the minor wins????

I will test this, but I have to write a new excel-sheet for this.

Quote from: winkel on Dec 18, 2022, 09:13 PM@BlueBuzzard

What we definitely know is that we lose -32 to -136 units at most after 34 spins.

Winkel, can you explain how you arrived at these figures? Thanks.

Ah, I see it's from the stats you posted above. I thought it was something you had calculated.

Nearly one month of coding excel-sheets to give this any sense.

It is horrible, if you have a typing-error or an wrong formula or a error witth copy+paste, you automatically ruin hundreds of sheets of datas and an immens load of work to mend it.

But here we are with the results.



I know it is hard to understand if you didn´t code it yourself, but I try to explain:

This shows the results of betting finals in month Oct. 2022
All finals are bet so overall it loses the houseedge.
What it shall show is the changing of results for flat bet, simple progression or steep progression like Atithm.Progression

There are three results for ever kind of bet:
- flatbet all spins
- stopp win/loss (for this I´m still looking for a stopp-point)
- stopp win only (any win or total loss)

total is actually the houseedge for flatbet all spins and shows how the bankroll reacts for each strategy.

losses or wins shows the change in wins or losses if we change the strategy

diff a pos diff tells that we had more wins than losses (or vice versa)

Finalen MasseEgale flat bet with 3 strategies all spins, Stopp in win or loss, stopp in Win

Finalen Prog TvP/Carre) I use simple Fibonacci stretched for lines (Fin 7 8 9 3 numbers) all others prog for Quads (4numbers)

Finalen Prog Arithm means every spin the betsize will be extended by 1 unit (1 2 3 4 5 6 ....)


Pls ask for further explanations of the statistics or how to use the embedded informations.

I will then also present the results for November December
Let´s try to find a conclusion and a way to use this for a strategy

Sorry:

In the first column of the results I forgot to change "flat" so please insert the title of group instead.

First group best result for flat Stopp Win 155 more wins than losses and total of "only -609

Second group best result for combined Stopp Win Loss

Third group best results also for combined Stopp Win Loss

So if we use a progression we have to find nice exit points for either wins or losses.

Next question would be: Which single Group of finales should we bet?

I tested the first 34 spins of each for month October 2022

This board shows, that almost every day all Finals did hit within 34 spins:

but we can do better:

We can follow the leader of the pack.
This board shows for each final how often it did hit.
+1 for every hit (1 win or 5 wins is always +1)





as you cn see with red colour there are only 1 or two favorites and easy to follow.
pls read: Finals 6 (6,16,16,36) did hit 21 times in 31 days.
Note the clear change in lead between Fin 7 and Fin 8 and then to Fin 6

These kind of data-collection I also have for:
- straights
- lines/streets
- Double streets
- Wheel neighbours 1+1

Very interesting results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!